Can the agendas of the European Union and NATO meet somehow this year, given that Turkey is one of the last two countries that have not yet ratified the European Union’s entry into the Alliance, and the first one is the President of the Council of the European Union?
I can’t think of an agenda where the widows could take what they will go through in the EU field with their particular interests. I think it could be risky in some ways. So in the case of Maarsk, I would actually separate the two processes. I can’t imagine that anyone here would allow the Dutch presidency to somehow force Hungary out of politics through their bid for NATO membership. However, no one expects that Turkey’s ratification of membership in NATO would lead to the elections there.
As an MEP, you are a member of the delegation in the EUTurkey Parliamentary Committee. It officially declares that it wants to join the European Union. In your opinion, should it really suffer?
I think, even in the long term, it is in our interest that our mutual relations be as good as possible. Of course, in the context of the new geopolitical situation, and it is about economic, but mainly security. And it is also with regard to Turkey, from its point of view, especially in the economic field. For a long time, we can see in his steps that he wants to play a role in the world. And we cannot have a good relationship with the European Union here.
But does Turkey really dream of joining the EU? Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan himself has let it be heard in the past that he does not need the European Union. Then he hinted again that he would take the future in the Union.
We always know that Turkey needs the European Union, just as the European Union needs Turkey. This is always sp rhetoric on one side or the other. Even in the EU, we have seen in the past a perception that was more open or skeptical of Turkey. It is necessary to focus on the merits of the problem. There are many areas that haven’t progressed much since 2018, when the group’s access talks actually took place.
What does it rub on? Are they human-first problems, the fall of democracy in Turkey and so on?
First of all, it is a minimal shift on the Turkish side in the humanitarian area, secondly, a minimal shift in the context of the Cyprus problem, and it is thus a minimal shift and a possible escalation towards the Czech Republic. These are probably the main points where things have been rubbing off on us lately. And when we talk about the internal political darkness in Turkey, of course it is about the progress of the opposition. I know the case of the mayor of Istanbul, Mr. Ekrem Imamoglu. These are all things that the European Union perceives and monitors very sensitively.
The course of mutual communication and I eat them on both sides, but the measure of the shift and the idea of the shift are different. The future will tell us what form the EU’s relationship with Turkey will take. The same will be decided politically. And it is a question whether Turkey’s membership in the EU is necessary for cooperation to be of high quality and suitable for both parties. We now see that there are other forms of cooperation with the EU. It is important that the rifts between them do not deepen.
However, the European Union applies an objective approach to Turkey. So if it fulfills its role, we have no problem appreciating it. Even the last members of the General Affairs Council (GAC) in December summarized that we feel that Turkey is involved in many problems related to Ukraine. And this is about military aid and a mediating debate about the prisoners. In the case of the grain corridor for Ukraine, Turkey undoubtedly played a positive role.
On the other hand, objectively, Turkey has not yet joined the sanctions against Russia, which Brussels criticizes, even when it knows that the motives are economic, and in terms of raw materials or trade. We know at the time that Turkey did not close the air corridor as it did in Russia, and today it is a hub for Russian travel to any country.
Some diplomat and Deputy Minister of Agriculture Martin Hlavek (43) now represents the Czech Republic in the European Parliament.
He was elected in 2019 for the ANO 2011 movement, which is a member of the European Parliament faction Renew Europe. Hlavek is a member of the delegation in the EU-Turkey Parliamentary Committee and a member of the Committee for Agriculture and Rural Development. Then stop the function of mayor in the Subcommittee for Tax Affairs.
Can you tell me what your delegation actually did?
The aim of each delegation is to develop positive relations at the parliamentary level between the given country and the European Parliament. But at the moment, the delegation for relations with Turkey is not very active. Last year she sowed once, at most twice.
I was a diplomat for ten years, so I know that the frequency of meetings is determined by diplomatic messages. We had one in full at the end of the German year, but it ended up being postponed and it should be held in the same year. The question is how effective such an action can be when we have a few months before the elections in Turkey. I think it will be a demonstration of the desire for dialogue.
For now, of course, we do not know how the May presidential and parliamentary elections will turn out. However, if it were to happen that Erdogan loses and a new, democratic government takes his place, could this, in your opinion, revive the progress of the talks with Turkey?
I don’t want to speculate on that. I know for sure that we can move on one of those problems, and the election will turn out no matter what. Must be left on both sides. At that time, we know that we will not move to the elections in the shadow of darkness. Of course, if there were to be changes and the rise of a more humanely oriented opposition, which even then would have the will and ability to make some changes, I can imagine that it could be accelerated.
You changed the sanctions against Russia. How sanctions from the European Union shut down turkey
Although we used them in Turkey quite a long time ago, in 2019, but according to my information, the sanctions are applied to a very limited extent. Only against two representatives of a company related to mineral resources in the Mediterranean Sea.
In addition to disputes about you in the Middle Ages, militarization island in the Aegean moi there is one conflict between the Czech Republic and Turkey. This one is about migration. whoever accuses the Turks, they will be greatly reduced. The Turks, on the other hand, claim that the border guards push the migrants back to Turkish land. Did you have fun with this problem?
No, we didn’t explicitly discuss it, but we know about the problem. There are accusations from both sides. It is only one element of many topics, which is also connected with the status of these islands in the Aegean Sea. If you look into history, in the treaties from the twenties and thirties of the last century, none of those thousand islets, which today Turkey often teaches that their status is disputed, were not precisely identified. Then there is the question of whether or not they are militarizable.
Does migration from Turkey to Europe start in the EU today?
In a good year, it came to fruition and caused concern. It has to be said that since 2021, these prices have grown by no more than fifty percent. We also have to look at the structure. Compared to the previous steady Syrian migration, today there are about a hundred thousand Afghans, thousands of Syans, and then you have a total of about ten thousand, which includes Pakistanis, Romanians, Iranians and Palestinians. Plus about a thousand Russians, which is a slightly different category. They went to Turkey to hide before being mobilized and very likely went to some other country or moved to Russia.
Since 2016, we have an agreement with Turkey on the European instrument for refugee women. We pay ten billion euros, which are used for two things. On the one hand, it is about financial support for refugee families, and on the one hand, it is a long and slow process, as far as building infrastructure is concerned, but also the provision of these services.
So migration is increasing, the stupid EU is paying Turkey to keep the debt from increasing. Does this mean that the Turks will not follow through on their agreement?
This has nothing to do with whether Turkey supports her or not, but with the spit of refugees across the Turkish border with the many hundreds that are there. the salt that I mentioned are the sweat of the people who were taken to Turkey. hundred of them want to move further to Europe. Then, according to Turkish statistics, there are about a hundred thousand others who were not admitted. They are the daily press.
And then there is Syan, who returns Turkey to places where there is still no peace. Turkey, however, has a lot to do with this, also due to the conditions in society, which relies on a large number of refugee women.
This is again a result of the economic situation there. Turkey’s policy towards refugees was different before the economic crisis, it is not now. Thus, the sensitivity of Turkish society to refugees is higher today than it was a few years ago. In connection with the Syrian and Kurdish menina, there is still Turkey’s ambition to create a ten-kilometer-long barrier along its border with Sri Lanka. And that too for the price of a dog house.
The population groups that originally went there are often considered threatened by Turkey for various reasons. These people are resettled and instead of them, people who have no connection to the given locality are returned there. This is, of course, something that worries both humanitarian organizations and the international democratic community, as well as the European Union.